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Duel Downs

Postby Ramcat » Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:33 pm

Inspired by the SAC tournament and this conversation: http://www.positech.co.uk/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5290

Ramcat wrote:A retaliation wouldn't change the original parameters.... but then again... I'd like a mode where challenges do limit by credits and pilots spent in retaliations. It would be a "duel down" from the starting fleet until the last man standing (so to speak). Each time I beat him, he has to beat me with less, then I have to beat him with less. Until neither of us can build a fleet to beat the other's with less. The guy who built the "unbeatable" fleet wins the "duel down".
The quote is from the other thread...(spelling corrected)

As I was writing this I was thinking that responses would be private, and that everyone who fought the duel would privately post their winning fleet back to me (or the person starting the "Duel Down") Then it dawned on me that the issue of cross posting could be solved by publicly posting your "wins". The problem is naming the cross-posts and being able to chain them back to the original challenge. It just gets messy (example):
Ramcats Duel Down 1 Aliandro Thunderbird Berny_74 Pilots 18 Cost 53,123

Ok I would still suggest privately posting your wins back to the person who started the duel. And if you have an ingeneous fleet you'd like others to beat, you could post it publicly as a new "Duel Down".

So here is my thought on naming convention:
[Player Name (poster)]s Duel Down [number] Pilots [number] Cost [number]
Example: Ramcats Duel Down 1 Pilots 20 Cost 91,820

If you win you post back with the first part of the name and yourself and your pilot/cost count.
[Original Duel Down name and number] [your name] Pilots [your count] Cost [your cost]
Ramcats Duel Down 1 Cetiah Nova Pilots 17 Cost 72,101

You'll have to self requlate your pilot count and costs because the map won't do it for you. Unless you create a custom map each time (can you do that?).

I was going to say you should play the same race everytime but I'm not sure I would make that a requirement. What do you all think (Race Duel Downs?, maybe when you're indicating you'd like that requirement?)?

Any suggestions? Better naming convention?

Give me a minute to get my fleet up. And yes, it will be a missile spammy heterogeneous fleet. Think of it as a well equiped invading army you're about to chop up. Then as the war rages on and we don't have enough resources, we'll have to inovate to beat you (I wonder if this will be good practice for the campaign?).
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Re: Duel Downs

Postby thc » Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:12 pm

I like it!

Is there a minimum increment between the previous and next challenge?

Is it just the previous challenge that you need to beat or the previous 2 or 3 like SAC?
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Re: Duel Downs

Postby Ramcat » Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:33 pm

Just the previous. 1 credit or 1 pilot.

And I just beat it on the first attempt. But I forgot to write down the pilots and cost, you need to do that so you can post the "retaliation".
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Re: Duel Downs

Postby Ramcat » Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:56 pm

Don't forget to put the pilot and cost in the "Taunt"!

Sadistic, I don't know your pilot and cost (so I can stay under them)!!
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Re: Duel Downs

Postby Berny_74 » Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:59 pm

Well I put a public post in retaliation to Ramcat's original challenge.

Got it down to 32 Pilots, 70 807 Credits.

Problem with this method is that it negates frigates and fighters. Also means a complete redesign for me since most of my ships are built to survive fighter assaults.

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Re: Duel Downs

Postby Ramcat » Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:08 pm

I am having to recalibrate as well. Seeing new designs.

I got waxed by an Alliance fleet!!!!! Very cool. Had to change thoughts to beat it.

You could add fighters to the initial "duel down" to keep the pilot count up. I did not want a fighter war for my first duel down. I do think I will do that soon. Rather, I'd love to see one of yours.

I have already faced frigates - and a frigate duel down would be cool too!!!!

BTW, down to 25 pilots and 70325 credits....posted to you.
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Re: Duel Downs

Postby Berny_74 » Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:32 pm

Ramcat wrote:I am having to recalibrate as well. Seeing new designs.


BTW, down to 25 pilots and 70325 credits....posted to you.


Okay too it down to 22 pilots and 48 884 - We are almost at the point of getting into frigate territory.

So is it the first person who gets down to 1 pilot the winner since you cannot go lower than one pilot?

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Re: Duel Downs

Postby Ramcat » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:45 pm

Berny_74 wrote:So is it the first person who gets down to 1 pilot the winner since you cannot go lower than one pilot?


That is a good idea. I presume you mean the first person to win with 1 pilot (against a 2+ pilot fleet) wins the "duel down".

I also think that the "unbeatable fleet" is another way to win. 10 attempts to beat it counts as "unbeatable" and wins the "duel down".

BTW, these games I've played as "duel downs" have been the funnest challenges I have ever played. All of you who have sent messages but not posted your winning fleet have missed out on the fun.

@Berny_74 Your fleets are pure genious and your use of orders inspiring.
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Re: Duel Downs

Postby 123stw » Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:40 pm

I think we should skip the author name. Like SAC, you can label it as Dual Down 1-1 x pilots y credits
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Re: Duel Downs

Postby Sadistic » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:04 pm

I played my first one without having read this thread but I'll play another and post the results
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Re: Duel Downs

Postby Ramcat » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:03 am

@123stw

Oh my, what an awesome fleet. I though I would never beat it. You should make a custom map and post that one as a Frigate Duel Down. Let other people face that wrath!!!

Even though I did beat it, it was by the skin of my teeth. Almost feel unworthy to have beaten it. Could find no other way to beat it.

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Well, those twelve ships are tough. Hmmmm, do you think that would make a good raiding fleet in the campaign?

And to whoever I sent my Fast Cruiser and Fast Frigate fleets at: Weren't those just absolutly cool fleets? I think that's a novel idea. I learned it from the forum.
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Re: Duel Downs

Postby Berny_74 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:08 am

We will have to see in the campaign - I am wondering how quickly the "retreat" will be. I am thinking of more along the lines of long range fast missile cruisers that can start throwing down missile spam while pulling back so as to retreat easier.

It was something I did in the orion2 series - lots of light frigates with 2xmissile systems and quick launchers and a tanker. They go in launch launch and then retreat and the tanker pulls back after the missiles do their thing. If it did anything.

Would just keep doing that trying to wittle down the enemy.

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Re: Duel Downs

Postby Ramcat » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:37 am

@Berny_74
I can beat my fleet with a Rebel fleet 11 pilots 30956. Want the plans?
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Re: Duel Downs

Postby Sadistic » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:44 am

I beat your retaliation with 1 pilot 3,138 creds
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Re: Duel Downs

Postby Ramcat » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:09 am

Sadistic wrote:I beat your retaliation with 1 pilot 3,138 creds


I would call that a win. Nice ploy to switch to frigates then beat them all with a cruiser. Absolutely solid play. First Duel Down winner! And you did it with Alliance. Rock solid man.

On a side note, when 19 frigates all fireing 4 lasers each at one cruiser can't touch it, something is out of balance.

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