libertarian party US prez candidate

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Re: libertarian party US prez candidate

Postby Styrax » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:29 pm

cary123 wrote:it would not have the issues of number of partys in de facto.

You don't seem to be aware of what really went on in the Soviet Union. The poor that socialism/communism is supposed to care so much about suffered the most. There still was a wealthy class, maybe not as wealthy in free market countries, but a separate class from the rest, mainly bureaucrats, who shopped in their own stores, with goods imported from other parts of the world. Have you ever read "Animal Farm"?
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Re: libertarian party US prez candidate

Postby cary123 » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:17 am

1. socialism has to be for the people, if it is not, it is not socialism
2. you should study more on the soviet union from non-capitalist sources
3. yes I have read that stupid book.
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Re: libertarian party US prez candidate

Postby Womanizer2985 » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:51 am

See, I'm a left-libertarian. I agree that taxes should be kept low, the Fed should definitely be investigated and the stimulus has changed my views on government's role in the economy.

However, unlike Ron Paul I am STRONGLY opposed to states rights on issues like abortion, gay rights, and religion. See, most libertarians support states rights because they believe in freedom for gays to be exterminated in concentration camps by suspender-wearing Evangelists and redneck fascists.

Indeed the so-called libertarians and constitutionalists are worse than the Republicans. They keep espousing this view that courts should be banned from ruling on same-sex marriage and that marriage should not be recognized by the government. Call me crazy but I think this is a cop-out strategy to avoid being marked as homophobic but still guaranteeing that the government NEVER acknowledges gay rights or homosexuality for that matter.

I believe in gay marriage, I believe in marijuana, I believe in banning hate crimes and workplace discrimination. I don't think people have a "constitutional right" to fire someone for being gay and they certainly don't have a right to commit hate crimes. Ever since Prop 8 passed in CA hate crimes have skyrocketed!
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Re: libertarian party US prez candidate

Postby Styrax » Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:00 am

Womanizer2985 wrote:See, I'm a left-libertarian. I agree that taxes should be kept low, the Fed should definitely be investigated and the stimulus has changed my views on government's role in the economy.

However, unlike Ron Paul I am STRONGLY opposed to states rights on issues like abortion, gay rights, and religion. See, most libertarians support states rights because they believe in freedom for gays to be exterminated in concentration camps by suspender-wearing Evangelists and redneck fascists.

Indeed the so-called libertarians and constitutionalists are worse than the Republicans. They keep espousing this view that courts should be banned from ruling on same-sex marriage and that marriage should not be recognized by the government. Call me crazy but I think this is a cop-out strategy to avoid being marked as homophobic but still guaranteeing that the government NEVER acknowledges gay rights or homosexuality for that matter.

I believe in gay marriage, I believe in marijuana, I believe in banning hate crimes and workplace discrimination. I don't think people have a "constitutional right" to fire someone for being gay and they certainly don't have a right to commit hate crimes. Ever since Prop 8 passed in CA hate crimes have skyrocketed!

The Founding Fathers believed in state's rights for a reason, and not the reason you mention. A big reason was because of the threat of the federal government getting too many powers, becoming oppressive. Go read the Federalist Papers to get a good idea of what the Founders intentioned. You'll find true liberals (libertarians) stand for the same.

I don't understand your homosexual thing. To clear the issue, a lot of Libertarians are proponents of FairTax (another problem with this game), which is a national consumption tax. Taxes are paid when something is bought on the retail level. And look at that, problem solved, the government doesn't give any tax credits to married couples. Happy now?

I bet you believe in Affirmative Action too, huh?

Just be happy we live in a republic and not a democracy, where a simple 51% popular vote could decide what is law and what isn't.
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Re: libertarian party US prez candidate

Postby cary123 » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:02 pm

the founding fathers were elitists.
Under socialism all will govern in turn and will soon become accustomed to no one governing.
- Vladimir Lenin -

All history has been a history of class struggles...
Friedrich Engels

Socialism needs democracy like the body needs oxygen.
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Re: libertarian party US prez candidate

Postby mechasaprophyte » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:36 pm

Styrax wrote:I bet you believe in Affirmative Action too, huh?


Oh, I'm terribly sorry. If I had realized you were trolling, I wouldn't have responded to your other post
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Re: libertarian party US prez candidate

Postby Styrax » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:21 pm

mechasaprophyte wrote:
Styrax wrote:I bet you believe in Affirmative Action too, huh?


Oh, I'm terribly sorry. If I had realized you were trolling, I wouldn't have responded to your other post

Hey now, that's not trolling. I was simply responding to his comment about workplace discrimination and I didn't intend for anyone to take it that way. Sorry if it did.
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Re: libertarian party US prez candidate

Postby Styrax » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:25 pm

cary123 wrote:the founding fathers were elitists.

How would you define elitists, because I'm not sure how they could be called that.
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Re: libertarian party US prez candidate

Postby cary123 » Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:40 pm

racism, sexism, richism, homophobia, biphobia.......
Under socialism all will govern in turn and will soon become accustomed to no one governing.
- Vladimir Lenin -

All history has been a history of class struggles...
Friedrich Engels

Socialism needs democracy like the body needs oxygen.
Leon Trotsky
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Re: libertarian party US prez candidate

Postby seamus » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:35 pm

i'd hardly call the founding fathers elitist. The founding fathers as a whole believed in a wide variety of beliefs, some were pragmatic anarchists (non-communist) who viewed government as a necessary evil, some were athiests, some were religious, and many more if you look them up. So you cant group them together and label them all as elitist. Also how can you be elitist when your trying to set up a democracy in the age of monarchies (Where the "proletarian" had no political power). Some were racists and sexists but at the time most people were.

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