Where do you stand politically?

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Where do you stand politically?

Postby retina-scan » Fri May 30, 2008 7:22 am

here's a link to a political test called the political compass.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

It's a VERY interesting site, and the test is very simple (though a little long), take it an tell me where you're at.
It measures where you stand politically on coordinate plane, with the x-axis being how far left or right you lean economically, and the y-axis being how socially permissive or authoritarian you are.

here's where I'm at (and the US presidential candidates, red is Republican, blue is Democrat, although Mike Gravel is now a 3rd party candidate) I just cut and paste my button, I'm not Republican, it just happened to be red, I swear! :lol:
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And down here are where some political figures are at (I think their head is where they are at if their body is showing.) and I'm also pretty sure that Friedman and Adam Smith are farther to the right then their heads suggest.
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm12/retina-scan/Copyofpolitical_compass.png
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby TomPhil » Fri May 30, 2008 5:21 pm

The last time I did that test I came out at:

Economic Left/Right: 1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.41

The thing is, that brings me out as being at pretty much the same location as the Liberal Democrats (if you look at the UK version of the Political Compass), but of all the three main political parties, they are the one that I dislike most. It's funny, because I would describe myself as a "liberal" (and a "democrat"), but I just seem to take a completely different approach to them on pretty much every issue. I suppose both the Lib Dems and I take what we deem to be a "liberal" approach, but we obviously have a different understanding of what such an approach is. I remember at school there used to be a Liberal Democrat member in our class, and we always used to take the opposite sides in any debate. There are issues that I agree with the Liberal Democrats on (including ID cards), but I think that a Liberal Democrat government would be an absolute disaster for the UK.

I think that I come out in the right segment on the political compass.

I would probably roughly agree with the libertarian score, and I'm happy with it. I think that you need some rules and regulation to maintain the maximum freedom and security for everyone. In an anarchy (where there were no rules at all), nobody would have any freedom, because you would not even have security of your body or property. The law needs to maintain a balance to ensure that there is an environment in which people can genuinely exercise their rights but without unduly restricting or infringing other people's rights, and to protect minority rights but not to do it at such a cost as to impose an undue burden on the majority.

The same on the economic score. I generally think that we should have a free market, but sometimes to maintain the maximum freedom there has to be regulation, for example in the area of monopolies. Also, there does have to be a degree of responsibility: there is no point in having a free market if it is doing more harm than good. Again therefore I think that there needs to be a reasonable balance to make sure that we can get the maximum out of it.

Overall I think that the score probably pretty accurately reflects my position, but of course the reality is more complex. I am happy to listen to ideas from any area of the political spectrum, and I probably hold views that would fit into any of the four segments of the compass. I could probably find things to agree on and to disagree on with anyone from (almost) any point on the spectrum. I know some people who will not even listen to ideas or views if they feel them to be "left-wing" or "right-wing" (depending on that person's own political views), or at least will completely refuse to accept them. For me, I don't mind where on the spectrum a view is perceived to lie or who else holds it or doesn't hold it - I will assess the arguments on their merits.

Of course, whether you are considered "left" or "right" wing also depends on where you are. In the UK, I don't think there is much doubt that most people would say I was "right wing". However, I wonder whether if I was in the US people would consider me as "left wing". I think perhaps some may well (at least in some parts of the country). I've been playing President Forever a bit recently and it's interesting that views on there that are deemed to be "left wing" would certainly be deemed to be "right wing" here in the UK.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby hardy24 » Fri May 30, 2008 9:23 pm

My results: -

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.51

Bang on for Labour policies circa 1972 apparently.

I'm quite strong on the idea that doing whats best for the individual is whats most important, although i'm pragmatic enough to concede that a free market can indeed be whats required to deliver this at times.

I do also think that while these tests give a good indication of the foundation of your views, I know I often come down on opposite sides when actual real life situations are presented with all sides of a debate aired. If that makes sense.

Looking at the various charts of historical political positions and indeed the US presidential candidate 2008 chart, it would seem as if the political process creates a natural drag to the Authoritarian Right.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby Brendon » Sat May 31, 2008 2:03 am

I hit right on with Ralph Nader.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby retina-scan » Sat May 31, 2008 7:12 am

TomPhil wrote:Of course, whether you are considered "left" or "right" wing also depends on where you are. In the UK, I don't think there is much doubt that most people would say I was "right wing". However, I wonder whether if I was in the US people would consider me as "left wing". I think perhaps some may well (at least in some parts of the country). I've been playing President Forever a bit recently and it's interesting that views on there that are deemed to be "left wing" would certainly be deemed to be "right wing" here in the UK.

ha ha, oh, there is no doubt you would be considered left wing here (though that says more about the US than it does about you). They baselessly accuse people of communism here :lol: My left-right score was of 2. something (touching your's) and my economic views are pretty much exactly what you said. I think it was pretty accurate in regard the US candidates, since I would support Edwards (if he were still in the race). though that probably doesn't necessarily mean you'd support him. (like the Lib Dems, or like those people who land where hitler is "but I'm not like hitler!" people would say, ha ha ha, when I first took this test in my high school politics class.)

I think you can break up the upper right quadrant, into four little quadrants and get the idea of what the US thinks of itself politically. With Edwards seeming like an anarcho-communist, and Ron Paul practically being in the Libertarian Party (crypto anarcho-capitalists), And Alan keys being Hitler reborn (god how I hate that man! :x (Keys, not Hitler, I mean . . . also Hitler :lol: ).
hardy24 wrote:Looking at the various charts of historical political positions and indeed the US presidential candidate 2008 chart, it would seem as if the political process creates a natural drag to the Authoritarian Right.

Probably, but I think that politics in general makes an authoritarian drag (not necessarily left or right), simply because they are in power. If you look at the political caricatures chart, on the lower half there was only one person that was at one point ruling a country: Nelson Mandela. On the Upper half, there's only one who didn't rule a country: Thomas Hobbes. Because US is a right leaning country, that's why it creates the 'right-wing authoritarian drag'. (of course, it could just be a coincidence about the caricature chart, or it's because the lack of rulers that didn't lean towards authoritarian)
Brendon wrote:I hit right on with Ralph Nader.

Nice

Would you vote for him? And cost the democrats the election?! (just kidding :lol: )
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby cliffski » Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:32 pm

It turns out I am...

Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08

Can you tell from the game? I hope not, tried hard to make it impartial as possible.
I've always loved that site, I wish I could remember my results from years ago, to see how they have changed.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby Timofmars » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:39 am

cliffski wrote:It turns out I am...

Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08

Can you tell from the game? I hope not, tried hard to make it impartial as possible.
I've always loved that site, I wish I could remember my results from years ago, to see how they have changed.


I'm right around there too. The game seems pretty impartial to me, but I guess this would hold more weight coming from me if I were politically opposite of you :P

But if I was, I'd probably be arguing that tax cuts increase the tax revenues, and poverty is caused by all the social programs, not the other way around.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby Tigertank » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:17 am

I think the quiz sends me plummeting south in terms of social issues because I'm not religious, that aside I'm very much a Centrist.

Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.74

Cliffski it doesn't seem especially bias to me. Both sides of politics have advantages and disadvantages.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby TomPhil » Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:21 am

Timofmars makes a good point - in real life, tax cuts can often increase tax revenues. However, this is to an extent modelled in the game, because one of the reasons why tax cuts increase tax revenues is that there is less tax evasion, and this happens in the game. However, it would be difficult to fully model the effect of tax cuts without getting into complex economics in the game. It may be a good idea to have taxes harm GDP, to reflect the way in real life they discourage spending (as people and businesses have less to spend) and encourage the rich to keep their money abroad.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby cliffski » Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:28 pm

That's a good point. the game also models the effects taxes have on entrepreneurship, through various situations, which themselves affect GDP (and thus tax take).
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby Urbandale » Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:39 am

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18

Wow. I seem pretty extreme :P
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby Ramidel » Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:46 am

Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56

Well, I suppose it fits. Economically I'm a strict pragmatist, socially I'm an iconoclast.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby joe101 » Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:38 pm

Economic Left/Right: 7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.51

Hmm... No wonder I'm not getting too many votes from the less well-off people...
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby Anomie » Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:26 pm

Good lord.

Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.15

Apparently Im an anarchocommie.
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Re: Where do you stand politically?

Postby Delirium » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:06 am

I did it awhile ago, don't remember the numbers but I was around where ralph nader is. For those people getting extreme results, it could be because you put "strongly agree/disagree" to too many things. You might be passionate about all these things to warrant the strong response, but if you didn't consider yourself so extreme that could be the reason that the results have come out like that.

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