Why Democracy will play only by social democratic rules?

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Re: Why Democracy will play only by social democratic rules?

Postby pbhead » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:15 pm

ahem.

they worked to create what was once the most prosperous nation on the planet.


"Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government."
--James Madison

"Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers, and destroyers press upon them so fast, that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon the American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour. The revenue creates pensioners, and the pensioners urge for more revenue. The people grow less steady, spirited, and virtuous, the seekers more numerous and more corrupt, and every day increases the circles of their dependents and expectants, until virtue, integrity, public spirit, simplicity, and frugality, become the objects of ridicule and scorn, and vanity, luxury, foppery, selfishness, meanness, and downright venality swallow up the whole society. "
--John Adams,

"They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare.... [G]iving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Why Democracy will play only by social democratic rules?

Postby blubee » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:45 am

pbhead wrote:ahem.

they worked to create what was once the most prosperous nation on the planet.


Not what history shows. Trickle-down economics came around in the latter half of the 20th century. Prior to that, the middle class was on the rise, the economy was booming, labor unions were going strong, taxes were higher on the wealthy. We prospered after WWII because the gov't had been buying what factories were producing, putting money into the people's hands for them to spend when the war ended. And immediately after the war, Europe couldn't provide for itself so we were producing extra goods for them, which made us even more prosperous. But then, Europe recovered. And then trickle-down economics comes along, and after that we see the middle class slowly being chipped away at, labor unions lose their power, welfare being whittled down. We never recaptured that prosperity because the gov't played into the hands of corporations and the wealthy.

In short, trickle-down economics is not smaller gov't, it's bigger gov't in the pockets of the rich and powerful. It's about empowering the wealthy by taking away from the foundations of society.
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Re: Why Democracy will play only by social democratic rules?

Postby jeffryfisher » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:42 am

blubee wrote:Trickle-down economics came around in the latter half of the 20th century...


There's a separate forum for political debate. If you'll post a thesis on Trickle-down economics, then I'll explain the difference between it and free-market (or "fair-market") capitalism. Hint: We both agree that trickle down is bogus, but perhaps for different reasons.
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Re: Why Democracy will play only by social democratic rules?

Postby Zapparulez » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:06 pm

I love the conversation in this thread from 2009 about incorporating private sector logic. As a "misguided" Libertarian, I disagree that a Libertarian policy agenda can't be successful. I'm not talking privatizing everything, but the idea of true Limited Government is a proven model historically. I just bought the game today and with my first try I was able to balance the budget and improve overall efficiency, but still got voted out because I chose the Freedom Party. lol Oh well...still a great game. I'll be picking one of the two major parties moving forward though...

Even though I believe socialist government almost always bankrupts itself in the long run(In case you haven't been watching Europe lately...), I can play the game with those unrealistic Utopian rules embedded into the games logic. ;) It's still fun even though I can't effectively create my own Utopian Libertarian paradise where everyone gets stoned and pays no taxes. lol

I look forward to the next generation. Thanks for the great experience thus far!

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